Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 ZM Review

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  1. RT says:

    Great work, as usual Viktor. The lens is now on my shopping list.
    By the way I like your new slider tool, quite interactive:)
    Just 2 comments:
    1) I was dissapointed with a performance of Loxia at f2 studio test (outer zones were not much better than tested lens)
    2) Also Voigtlander 35/1.2 seems to be not great, however the character and bokeh will be I guess its strong weapon.
    I know that announced sony 35/1.4 will be great in the corners with AF, but as an manual shooter I will always prefer this beauty.
    radissimo

    • Thanx mate. Loxia 35/2 improves quite a lot stopped down and even wide open is actually much better in the corners than Distagon on A7. But Distagon on Leica M-E is another story 🙂
      CV 35/1.2 is definitely not best corrected 35mm lens on the market, but wide open, it has great character (not about sharpness) and stopped down to f/5.6 and smaller it become actually very sharp across the frame.
      Distagon is sharper lens with higher micro contrast of course. It depends what you prefer more – Blade sharpness or teasing Mystique.
      I am glad you like our slider. It’s not perfect but for the proper comparomoetr IT guys here asks for over 4000 EUR. No way to jake that much with the blog yet…

      Best regards to Scotland,
      Viktor

  2. Makten says:

    “Use slider to move between images.”

    Unfortunately, this doesn’t work! Nothing happens when you click the images in the three browsers I’ve tried: Safari, Firefox and Chrome.

  3. Jozef says:

    Nice review.
    the lens looks definitely tempting. Anyway, guess I will wait for the sont FE 35/1.4 distagon….any guess if it might be actually the same design?
    one of topic question: In your A7/A7R review you bashed A7 cameras quite heavily and commented that you dont like any of them. Seems that you changed your mind on the topic? Or just kept one for reviewing?

    • Hi Jozef,
      I expect the Sony FE 35/1.4 ZE to have basic Distagon construction scheme but not the same design as ZM version. Lens will be much larger and heavier too. Most importantly, new Sony Zeiss will be AF lens with manual focus by wire, which is big minus for my use (90% of shots are MF).
      I haven’t changed my mind regarding Sony A7/r cameras that I still own. All of my critics stands but the new A7MII seems to improve on the sensor reflection issue, so that particular camera can be significant improvement and if I would have one, I could possibly change my conclusion. However, until Sony gives possibility for lossless RAW compression, I am not going to buy any new Sony body, so I might never know how good cameras they will become.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

      • Jozef says:

        Thanks for the reply Viktor
        Well, I’m aware about the size/AF differences. My question was pointed to the optical formula 😉 Guess we will have to wait some weeks till its out for comparison.
        Hm, I see this “lossless compression” ranting quite often. Is it really such a big deal?

        • Hi Jozef,

          my answer was commenting optical formula mainly, and I am sure they are not going to be completely the same. Distagon design is strongly asymmetrical and it is not based on exact number of elements inside, nor about their shape or type. From the first look at both lenses, it is clear that they are not of the exactly same design, but they still might be close in performance. However, looking at how 35/1.4 ZM is small and how greatly it performs on native Leica body, I am simply impressed what Zeiss engineers were able to put together. Sony E version look much more in line with other Zeiss Distagons 35/1.4 (ZE,or old C/Y).

          The lossy compression of Sony RAW files has two consequences for my use…

          First it’s not only about compression, but also about lens software corrections that are applied during compression, especially vignetting correction. This is done within A/D conversion on the hardware level, same as noise reduction, in order to improve efficiency. While for users, this is basically welcomed technology, it makes for me unreliable platform (which otherwise would be almost perfect) for cross lens comparisons among brands and types.

          Second, I am often shooting products for living, where I have to go to the very edge of contrast and DR. When I tried to boost the chrome line in the product design and push everything else into dark black e.g., I experienced compression artifacts.

          In any case, I understand why Sony did it and I doubt they will change it soon, but for me it means to look for other testing platform or to leave cross platform lens testing aside if there is none that can set even conditions. (Or at least to not include native E mount lenses in my tests).

          Another reason why I didn’t buy A7 MII is IBIS being the main difference. Because I use tripod for 90% of my work, I don’t need IBIS (and faster battery drain) and thus I will rather wait for really new sensors.

          Cheers,
          Viktor

          • Jozef says:

            so the FE 35 monster is out, Steve Huff published his “first look” review and the guy is absolutely raving: “this lens may just be the best 35mm lens I have ever shot when it comes to IQ, pop, color, detail and overall rendering. It is gorgeous. Really”. So it looks promising. Are you planning to have a look on this beast too?

            Thanks for the explanation, I have a clearer picture now about the whole thing 😉 I persnally am waiting for the new version of A7r. I still hope for a 36mpix version with electronic 1st curtain which would address the shutter shock issue. If the rumors are true and the A7RII will be a 50mpix beast, then I go for the A7II (dough I dont really care about the IBIS that much either)

            • Hi Jozef,
              with all respect, Mr.Huff is raving about everything lately. “Best I ever used” is kind of motto of his pages. But he has lot of traffic for sure and he knows the positivism is what makes people happy. BTW, he also saw and talked to ghosts…
              I most probably won’t try this lens (even if I would like), because I can’t get it from Sony for testing and I am not planning to buy it.
              I am working on Zeiss APO Sonnar 135/2 review right now and that will be followed by shot out of 135mm on A7 – where five of most prominent 135s will be compared (including new Samyang 135.)
              If I somehow succeed in getting in touch with someone from Sony international and they send me the lens/lenses, I will be happy to test them though.
              Best regards,
              Viktor

              • Jozef says:

                🙂 well, for some reason the guys name is recently downgrading to the lights of Ken Rockwell :D. However its not entirely true, especially regarding the sony lens. His FE lens reviews were always like: “yes its nice, but I still prefer to slap a voigtlander on the a7”, he called the 55/1.8 boring-the lens that all sony shooters love and rave about. Its really first time he is enthusiastic about a FE lens.
                The 135 battle sounds interesting, I hope you wont leave out the Sony/Zeiss 135/1.8, that would be a sin! Looking forward for the review

  4. Vungtau says:

    Thank you- Viktor. Very nice review. I ‘m waiting your another reviews. 🙂
    Best regards!

  5. simon says:

    Thanks for the good work. As usual, it is extremely well done.

    Can’t wait till you do a comparison with the new Sony Zeiss 35 F1.4 FE lens. Any chance that you may publish the comparison anytime soon?

    • Thank you Simon for your kind words. Unfortunately, I can’t get in touch with Sony International and we are not on their PR list. On top of that in the last period Sony seems to slightly ignore Europe and especially Czech Republic with new products supply, so we have to wait. All this means, that while I would love, I can’t test Sony lenses until I decide to buy one for myself, and I recently have no plans of doing so. I hope that we will somehow break this limitation in the future, because I believe that Sony Camera division deserves attention and publicity.

      But it’s not all negative. I am working now on comprehensive review of Zeiss APO Sonnar 135/2. While this is not new lens, it is considered to be one of the best in its class. I hope to manage to make few direct comparisons against rather new Samyang 135/2 and another famous 135 – Sony Zeiss Sonnar 135/1.8 ZA on Sony A7r.

      Oh, and there should be new Zeiss lenses announcement very soon. But pssst 😉

      Cheers,
      Viktor

  6. Daniel says:

    Thank you very much for such a thorough, informative review! There seems to be very little information about this lens on the internet.
    (I especially like your “mover slider to compare” tool)
    The ZM 35mm F1.4 seems like the perfect 35mm lens, but unfortunately the price is too much for me… And the Sigma 35mm Art seems like a very good value!
    I was wondering how the sigma lens handles when used as a manual focus lens on a sony A7 or A7m2?
    I am just an amateur and 90% of the time I shoot environmental portraits (I am considering buying a canon mount version since I already have a 70D, so I can use it on both bodies)
    How is the feel of the focus ring for MF? Would the Sigma lens be a good option to consider?
    Thank you in advance!

    • Hi Daniel,
      Sigma manual focusing is quite good for AF lens. You might lack that extra precision in the final stage of acquiring critical focus (on the eye e.g.) at super shallow DOF, but it is still possible.
      There is also Sony A mount version which will AF with LA-EA4. Between Canon and Nikon, you are deciding between convinient settings of aperture, fully functional metering and TTL, EXIF record and AF (even if terrible slow) and versatillity of Nikon mount, which can be used on most other mounts recently…

      Cheers,
      Viktor

      • Daniel says:

        Mr. Pavlovic,
        Thank you for your input! Even though my brain is telling me that the Sigma is a much better lens for me, I spent the last couple of nights fantasizing about getting the ZM 35mm f1.4!
        I would love to get one, but probably not worth the price difference for my usage.. 🙁
        But I might thank myself later for not buying a completely manual lens with no electronic contacts..LOL

  7. Juergen says:

    Dear Viktor,

    many thanks for your reviews and comparison.
    The Distagon ZM seams to be a great performer. I would love to use it for technical subjects.
    Your comparison with your model guides me to the Loxia instead. Inside the building the ZM 1.4 and the ZA 2.8 show a pritty face, long hair, a nice coat, jewelry and hands. For me the Loxia 35 shows me a pretty woman instead. For me the wow is on the whole person first until I loose myself into the details. The unretouched parkside pictures give me the imagination, that she would choose the Loxia 35, or the Nokton picture, while she might argue to have no Make-up, hair wax used on the ZM and ZA. Since you proved that the Loxia sharpens up very quick when stopped down i prefer this as a multi purpose prime 35 for natural subjects and nature.

    Best regards: Juergen

    • Hi Juergen,

      thank you for your comment. It represents the way I would like my reviews to contribute to the community. Trying to give as much field related information as possible and some comparative shots, I let the readers to make their individual conclusions. I rarely score or describe the lenses in general terms and I don’t believe in one lens being better than the other in all aspects. It is not most popular approach, people like to read that their lens is “better” than others, but it’s at least another point of view.
      With the choice of Loxia, I am sure you won’t make a mistake and I wish you lot of nice images with that nice Zeiss lens.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

  8. Michael Bolser says:

    Your exhaustive comparison might have been decisive regarding the Distagon ZM had you attached the ZM to the camera for which it was designed–The Leica M Series. Comparing like brand lens (D810+ZF.2) and then mixing brands to evaluate the mismatched pairing is a mistake that others also too often commit.

    Legacy lenses attached to foreign bodies simply will not perform optimally.

    The IR cut filter etc. sensor stack attached to the SONY A7 Series (Including the A7R) is at least 2mm thick and its degrading effect nullifies all your hard work. The ZM was in fact designed to interface with the far thinner sensor stack of the Leica or the even thinner surface of photo film.

    http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/07/sensor-stack-thickness-part-iii-the-summary

    Any refracting element placed between the lens and sensor not originally designed to be there severely degrades the final outcome–especially at the field edges. Moreover the sensor stack renders the MTF useless as a guide.

    To your credit you have arranged a PROPER FORMAT for comparison and I look forward to future efforts.

    M

    You might be very surprised if you compare the A7 Series to the Leica with this advanced Zeiss ZM lens.

    • Hi Michael,

      If you have read the review carefully (but who will actually) you’ll find lot of notices about sensor cover composition and its influence to the final image quality. Don’t forget however, that recently applied software correction, “hard coded” in RAW files (by many producers including Sony and Leica) are another factor that influences image quality. Finally, on the page 3, you will find comparison images between Sony A7 and Leica M-E body with the same lens. You need to use slider to reveal left or right image.

      We couldn’t use Leica for more tests as it was borrowed body that we had to return. We are not interested in Leica digital cameras, so we are not planning to use them in the future either. Zeiss is putting ZM line on hold, so there won’t be many of their lenses to test on Leica bodies anyway, and there are way better review pages dedicated to Leica fans.

      Thank you for your critic and for your encouragement. If you’d like to add something more to this discussion, please use our forum section, where you can open related thread. We are limited in number of comments bellow the article, so I will have to exclude any new contributions related to this topic.

      Cheers,
      Viktor

  9. Li Yan says:

    This is literally the best ZM 1.4/35 review on the internet. I’m currently have the CV 35mm 1.2 and amazed how the ZM can outperform it.

  10. Udo says:

    Like @Li Yan: Best test for the 35 ZM 1.4, thank you very much!
    I use it since six weeks on a Monocrome 246 and it has become my #2 lens on this body (close behind the C-Sonnar).
    By the way: the best lens I ever had imo is the Apo Sonnar 135 you are referring in your ZM 35 test…

  11. alan says:

    how did you retouch it? i like it. since it is just hobby, i would like over-retouch it.

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