Zeiss Batis APO Sonnar 135mm f/2.8 Lens Review

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31 Responses

  1. vungtau says:

    Finally, Zeiss had sent you the their very new lens. Great review!

    • Yes! We got the lens prior to its release, it’s a great achievment for my friends and me here at VBL! If only Sony will go the same route 🙂
      Thank you for your kind words!

  2. Yasser Sultan says:

    Awesome review as always. It’s definitely a great lens, but it has a “clinical” look IMO. I have the APO Sonnar F2, which I think I will keep (bought used for almost 40 percent of the price of the Batis). $2000 is way way too much for this lens. What are they thinking?

    • Well I can’t tell you that the lens is not “clinical” if you sees it so. Part of the problem might be downsizing sample images using bi-cubic algorithm which create sharper results, but might look a bit “clinical” or maybe better – “technical” in a result. IMHO Batis 135/2.8 APO Sonnar is outstanding lens that gives photographer all the freedom to focus on the content and forget about any potential issues such as extensive purple fringing, strong flaring, blooming etc. Its ability to isolate subject is brilliant thank to the explicit center sharpness and high acutance. This creates its character and it also allows extensive post processing. Sonnar 135/1.8 has more blur and it maybe creates more charismatic images out of the box, but it will behave differently in different lighting conditions (more or less CA, better or worse subject isolation, more flaring etc.)
      I can see that many comments are related to the price, but when lens is this good, one should be prepared to pay a premium price. I can’t recently afford it and I have many other good 135mm lenses, but if I would use this FL for my paid job (which I don’t), I will sell all the others and go with Batis. This is how much it impresses me 🙂

      • Yasser Sultan says:

        I have never seen you impressed by a lens as much as this one, which speaks volumes in itself :). I see the great sharpness, high micro contrast, and lack of aberrations. The images look great really. I’m also impressed even more by the Loxia 85, which you reviewed recently. However, as a hobbyist, I cannot stomach the 2k price tag.
        In your opinion, is it better than the APO sonnar f2? I have this one, and it’s the best lens I’ve ever used optically. I think the Batis is comparable to the DSLR version, but with some extra micro contrast?
        I have used the Samyang, and it’s also great, but does not have nice color rendition as Zeiss lenses.

        I never owned the Sony 135, but it is the lens with the most distinguished “character” in the 135mm focal length, despite the CA (as far as I can tell from the images I saw online).

        I also owned the Canon 135. It is a good lens, but it’s showing its age now.

        I wish the Batis was priced at $1500 as rumored 🙁 Why Zeiss? Why?

        • Hi Yasser,
          I don’t think that Batis is optically better than older APO Sonnar f/2, but it is optimized for Sony E mount, it is smaller, lighter and it has AF and OIS. Image quality will be close call with faster lens offering slightly more blur at the same settings. I am excited about new Batis because it is such a great optical design in the compact and lightweight body with all those additional features. For some, more compact size means that they will carry and use this lens more often and we might see more stunning images from talented people. I find older APO Sonnar f/2 also amazing, but that one is very close in optical performance to the much cheaper Samyang. Batis is the whole new story, very different shooting experience.
          Cheers,
          Viktor

  3. Miguel says:

    Nice review. I’m curious how it renders bokeh with lights in the background. Will they be round or have that cat eye shape?

    • Hi Miguel,
      in the “bokeh” chapter you can see how it goes. As most recent Zeiss lenses, there is pronounced effect of the mechanical vignetting, resulting in the cat eye shaped highlights toward image edges.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

  4. You cannot imagine a situation where F2.8 won’t suffice?
    How about when the slow aperture forces the ISO up 2-3 stops!
    Yes, you can drop the shutter speed to compensate but then you need to be certain that your subjects aren’t moving.
    I’m never comfortable dropping shutter speed too much – not for shooting candid people shots anyway.

    I use my Batis lenses for travel photography.
    By travel photography, I mean traveling alone to a remote place, hiring a guide and going native for a month.
    I spent January in Tibet.

    I like the light weight, weather sealing and OSS.
    Those are big selling points for me, but you cannot substitute a slow lens for a fast lens.
    It’s not the same.
    There is a reason I travel with fast primes over F2.8 zooms and it’s not the weight 😉

    • Between f/1.8 and f/2.8 is sligtly over 1 EV stop. Batis 135 has OIS which in combination with IBIS can be more effective than IBIS alone for at least 1 stop.
      But that was not my point. I wanted to say that if you’ll have to shot at ISO 1600 or 3200 it doesn’t make such a big difference with modern Sony FF sensors. Choosing moderate speed of f/2.8 results also in a much smaller and lighter body with apochromatic design, fast AF and OIS.
      Batis is not a slow lens, it is just a ted slower than what you call “fast” lenses. If we will compare f/2.8 with f/1.2 than your comment will make more sense.
      I never said that slow lens is the same as fast lens BTW. You can enjoy your travel with whatever lens you like. At the end it all come to your personnel preferences…

      • Well, we will have to disagree on this.

        In Tibet, I shot 2x A7r II bodies at the same time, with Batis 85 F1.8 on one and Sony/Zeiss 35mm F1.4 on the other.

        The previous year I did the same in Laos and used the Batis 25 F2 before I replaced it with the Sony 35mm F1.4 this year.

        F1.4 made a big difference in getting the shots in low light where the F1.8 Batis struggled, hunted or failed to focus at all.
        It may be the way I shoot but I tend to shoot in low light but if the excellent Batis 85 F1.8 struggles, then that doesn’t hold out much hope for the F2.8.
        Don’t get me wrong on the Batis – I love the 85 more than any other lens on Sony and certainly prefer it to the 85mm F1.8 GM.

        I also own Nikon D5/D4s and F2.8 trinity of zooms.
        I’d never travel with them.
        Not because of the weight, but because F2.8 isn’t good enough in low light, not even on the excellent D5.

        • Correct me if I am wrong here Colin, but you keep writing about f/1.2 and f/1.4 lenses and you say that yours Batis at f/1.8 struggled to AF.
          Earlier you said there is a difference in 2-3 EV in ISO between faster lenses and Batis 135.
          We are talking here about 135mm lenses and the only “faster” AF options are f/1.8-f/2. This means that fastest available AF 135, will still struggle to focus in your “travel” scenarios and that same “fastest” 135 is nowhere near 2-3 EV stops of light gain but rather 1 EV.

          My comment was related to the tested lens and its competitors not meant in general. Discussing advantages and disadvantages of fast vs “slow” lenses is endless concept and much better suited for related forums.

          As someone who makes money for living by shooting portraits among other, I can assure you that I rarely step bellow f/4. If it is darker around, I simply switch to manual focus.

          But I respect your priorities, there’s just no need to start your comments in the tone you previously did.

          Cheers,
          Viktor

  5. Mark Harris says:

    Is there any place to download the full size test images for comparisons?

    • Hi Mark,
      we are not allowing any original images for download, sorry. It takes lot of time and money to put the review together and we are trying to protect our content.
      If you go to Flickr album (link is in the review), you should be able to see and maybe even download images in larger sizes, but it is a clumsy operation. Sorry for inconvenience and understanding.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

  6. LBJ2 says:

    The best Batis 135/2 review currently on the internet. A very comprehensive post choosing equally competitive equivalents for serious comparisons. After studying this review there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind if this is the right lens for them or not. Well done!

  7. Philip Partridge says:

    Great work, Viktor and friends. I study MTF, as shown in Zeiss’s ultra accurate data sheets. At infinity, this lens is better overall at f2.8 than it is at f5.6. It is optically (per MTF) as good or better at f2.8 than the Sonnar 135/2 APO is at any aperture, at infinity focus (stronger off axis). At f2.8 it delivers fine detail resolution (40 lpmm) so much better than the 135/2 Sonnar APO at f2 that any loss from one stop higher ISO (for given shutter speed) would be overwhelmed by the much better lens performance (80%-vs-63% contrast, on axis, wide open). It also has IS/AF, much less distortion, at 2/3 the weight, takes 67mm filters. Meet the best 135mm ever made in a technical sense, and lovely bokeh. Price is commensurate with quality here. Perfect complement for Sony a7 series, like the other Loxias and Batises (all in range: f1.8-f2.8 max aperture). cheers.

  8. padam says:

    The 135/1.8 might be huge and heavy and tricky to focus accurately, but it looks the nicest imho.
    Cheers,
    Adam

    • Hi Adam,
      it has its strong sides for sure. Its weakest part is quite heavy purple fringing. Batis is clearly superior there and for me, that is terrific achievement and reason why I am ready to tolerate higher price.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

  9. Michael says:

    Very nice review. If the lens can make me take pictures like the ones you have displayed, I will purchase it yesterday 🙂

    Seriously, I have the 85 Batis and absolutely love it – but I find the 150mm to be better for my style of photography (my favorite lens is still the Olympus 75mm f/1.8) because of its sharpness and creamy bokeh. I can’t help but think feel that the 85 Batis has perhaps marginally better DOF than the 135, but that is purely speculation. And I do appreciate the relatively small size.

    Bottom line, I’ll definitely spend a weekend with it, when my local pro rental shop gets one.

    Thanks again.

    • Hi Michael and thank you for your kind words. The main difference between Batis 85 and 135 is in the color chromatic aberration corrections. Batis 85/1.8 is not the worst lens in that regard for sure, but some purple fringing can be seen in high contrast areas. Purity of the Batis 135/2.8 rendition even in the most challenging situation, is what makes it special IMHO. Color artifact can be removed in post processing but it’s luminosity component will remain, softening the edges to the certain amount. This results in a visually lower acutance perception.
      Of course, both lenses are fantastic tools and it will certainly depend 100x more on the image content, light and composition, which image would look better if directly compared, than on a little more CA or marginally shallower DOF. The best advise I can usually give is – buy the new lens when you feel that your current equipment limits you in some particular way. Otherwise, invest instead in the learning, traveling, software eduction or arranged photography, that will result in more notable improvement of the photography itself.

      Enjoy your B85 and have a great day,
      Viktor

  10. Simply an amazing review and the most comprehensive one that I’ve seen on this new lens by Zeiss. Thank you for the tremendous effort it putting this together! For me personally, the need for this focal length is still up in the air. I use my Batis 85 for the majority of my portrait work, with support from the Sony Zeiss 35mm 1.4 and 55mm 1.8 as needed. Ideally I’d rent the Basis 135 for a photo session to see how I liked it first, so this may be an option. I like working close to my models and feel the 85mm is already pushing it for me, so we’ll see. But, your excellent review has given me the information I needed and this is greatly appreciated!

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