Zeiss Loxia 85/2.4 vs Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 vs Sony FE 85/1.4 GM vs Sony SAL 85/1.4 ZA. Battle of 85mm lenses for Sony E Mount – Comparative Lens Review

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  1. Christopher Brown says:

    Thanks for all your hard work in doing this. Of these I have the Batis which I really enjoy and the Voightlander which, despite some flaws, is quite light and renders well. I also have a C/Y Zeiss 85mm 1.4 and the Helios 40-2 which is based on the Jena that you prefer. I am interested in the Loxia, which the budget may one day allow, as the Loxia 50mm I own is a personal favorite.

  2. Yasser Sultan says:

    Thanks a lot, Viktor! This must have been a very hard comparison. I used the Batis and the GM. The Batis is sharper wide open as you mentioned in the review, but the bokeh is harsh at some situations (and great at others). Currently I’m keeping the GM until Sony releases a 135mm 1.8 for FE, because this is my favorite portrait focal length.
    I think Sony marketing campaign overhyped the 85 GM. It’s kinda soft wide open, and gets to the level of sharpness I like at around F2. It is less than what I expected really, but the bokeh is better the Batis, that’s why I’m keeping it (for now).

    • Hi Yasser,
      thank you for your comment. I tend to agree about Batis bokeh, but for the Sony FE, I think it is great lens in fact. As I said at the beginning of the review, all of those lenses are much ahead of my needs and competence, but Sony FE has very nice rendering of OOF areas and slightly lower contrast (in comparison to Zeiss), which makes it distinctive portrait choice. Batis however has faster AF, Planar is cheapest and sharp as hell and Loxia is smallest. Before you go with expected Sony 135/1.8 (shouldn’t take too long AFAIK), you might want to check new Batis announcement. I can’t say what it is until it is officially released, but since I had it for the test, I can say that it is exceptional lens in every regard. Give it a try if you can, when it comes. I promise you won’t regret 😉

      • LBJ2 says:

        You tested the new Batis 135 and you think it’s an exceptional lens in every regard? WOW

      • Yasser Sultan says:

        Thanks, Viktor for the Batis teaser 🙂 I think it will be announced tomorrow, so I’m looking forward to it.

        That being said, the sample shots I saw so far showed a bit harsh bokeh, but you are one of the few lens reviewer I trust, so I will definitely give it a try. I already put my GM on sale because I really cannot stand the size and wight. I will continue to use the Apo sonnar with metabones until I can get that Batis 🙂

      • Maciej says:

        Victor, is that Sony 135/1,8 information based on just a guess or do you have some information that there is one coming up? I’m trying to decide if I should get the Sigma 135mm + adapter or hold off until there is a native sony lens. I don’t want to wait more than 6 months. Thanks

        • Hi Maciej,
          let’s call it a rumor and threat it as so. Even when we know something, things can rapdidly change (firmware problems, production optimization, delivery prospect etc.) so just go ahead with what is recently available. I will certainly consider also Sony SAL 135/1.8 (if you are after super fast aperture), since it is very good lens that you can have for as low as 1000 USD (second-hand) and if/when Sony E become available, you can re-sell it with a small loss. With new Sigma, you might lost a bit more and I wasn’t impressed by its bokeh from the sample images that I have seen so far.
          If you can live with f/2.8, Batis 135/2.8 is a superb lens.
          Cheers,
          Viktor

      • Yasser Sultan says:

        Thanks, Viktor for the Batis teaser I think it will be announced tomorrow, so I’m looking forward to it.

        That being said, the sample shots I saw so far showed a bit harsh bokeh, but you are one of the few lens reviewer I trust, so I will definitely give it a try. I already put my GM on sale because I really cannot stand the size and wight. I will continue to use the Apo sonnar with metabones until I can get that Batis

        • Hi Yasser, Batis 135/2.8 review is online now and you can check many sample images in VBL review here. As for the bokeh, it is neutral with well corrected aberrations – there is no sphero-chromatism (colored highlight outlines and no significant stroking of highlights either). Highlights are also free of artifacts such as onion rings and the only downside is pronounced mechanical vignetting causing cat eye highlights toward image edge. Bokeh is smooth and in combination with great sharpness and hogh micro contrast it delivers superb subject isolation.
          Cheers,
          Viktor

          • Yasser Sultan says:

            Thanks a lot, Viktor! I read the review, and it’s a good lens, but the price is crazy, given how similar it is to the Samyang.

    • Mark Harris says:

      If your GM is soft wide open, return it because that is NOT how this lens performance. I did not pay that amount of money for a soft lens…if it was, I would have sent it back. Mine is fantastic!

      • Hi Mark,
        It’s not soft, I never said that, it is slightly softer in comparison to Planar ZA in the center, but IMHO it is deliberate design choice. In comparison to other two lenses (Batis and Loxia) it is a bit apples to oranges, since it is much faster lens. It is indeed great lens, enjoy yours!

  3. Mark Harris says:

    The 85mm GM is just a beast!

  4. Philip Partridge says:

    Another comparo tour de force, Viktor, thank you. 3D Kraft did an excellent early comparo of O85 and B85, and I concur with your views on these two. I shoot travel (street portraits and scapes) and favour slower, simple design lenses, so the L85 is a lay down misere for me. People miss that ‘found’ human subjects (esp. strangers, esp. women) react very differently depending on the ‘frontal area’ of (mainly) lens diameter.

    MTF wise, L85 is Milvus85 level IQ at half weight/size and has better corners. Needs no distortion correction in post. It’s true Sonnar design (no asph) with CZ’s very good APD glass (hence the high weight for 7/7 manual lens). I feel very fortunate to have one. Typical Zeiss micro color/micro contrast and deadly infinity results at f5.6-f8 too. Feels bomb proof, ‘industrial art’. cheers.

  5. David Panno says:

    Fantastic article Victor. Maybe the Loxia one day.

  6. Jozef says:

    Very good comparison in deed, thanks Viktor! Nice to see the ZA 85 included in here, the first wow-lens I ever got. Great to see that it holds its own against the new designs (despite its flaws). I dont have it anymore as it was stolen from me and when I switched from A to E mount I got the batis and later the GM as well. It somehow still has its place in my heart, as the later two never really replaced it completely. It had this special something for me… Dont get me wrong, the later two are great (batis for traveling GM for serious work), but still, sometimes I miss the ZA rendering…or perhaps its just nostalgy 🙂

    • Thanks Jozef, It might be the lack of focus breathing what makes Planar ZA special. At the minimum focus distance, it is capable of creating larger highlight circles in comparison to GM at the same conditions, which makes subject standing out more/differently from the background. It is also very sharp (at least my copy), but it suffers from heavy CA. I like it to.
      Cheers,
      Viktor

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